tv Governor John Kasich Says U.S. Should Take Out North Korean Leadership CSPAN April 28, 2017 4:04pm-5:03pm EDT
talking with journalist and author david maris. >> he was in the cover up to his neck. his lilists have attempt to say it was dean ran the coverup, or others betrayed him. the tapes don't show that. the tapes show that right from the start, he was fwing to play it rough, the way they play it. he was going to be tough, tough, tough. it was a terrible down fall. >> for more of this weekend's chedule, go to booktv.org. ohio governor and former republican presidential candidate john kasich sat down with a group of reporters today to talk about a range of issues he assessed president trump's first 100 days, republican efforts to repeal and replace the health care law, the current political discourse in washington, and the future of the two-party system.
governor kasich is the author of a new book, "two paths: america divided or united." he spoke at a breakfast today hosted by the "christian science monitor" in washington for an hour. mr. cook: ok, here we go i'm ave cook from "the monitor," gnchor kasich is here, he's been stopping by since 1985678 he was born in pennsylvania, moved to ohio, this is where i talk and you get to eat. after graduation he worked for a state legislature and ran a door-to-door campaign for state senator, becoming the youngest member elected to the ohio state senate. in 1982, he won a u.s. house seat, eventually served as chairman of the house budget committee where he was a key architect of the balanced budget act of 1997 he left congress in 2001, became an executive atleeman brothers and the host of a fox news program. he was elected governor of ohio
in 2010 and won an overwhelming victory in re-election -- for re-election in 2014 and so much for biography. as always, please no live blogging or tweeting no filing of any kind while the breakfast is under way. give us time to actually listen to our guest says. there's no embargo when the session ends. to help you resist that relentless self-ie urge, we'll email several pictures as soon as the breakfast ends. as regular attendees know, you'd like to ask a question, send me a subtle non-threatening signal and i'll happy -- happily call on one and all in the time we have available. we'll have the governor make some opening comments and then move around the table. thanks again for doing this. gov. kasich: i'm here because i have this book, it's called "two paths: america divide or united." i wret the book because basically 28 years elected
office and also the fact that i have done a number of other things and i am concerned about the direction of the country. i talk about how we got there, how we can get out of it. and i think it's pretty timely and i'm having -- i'm having a good time because i've gone all the way from "the view" to "the daily show," to "face the nation." that's a pretty good diverse kind of media appearances. so i'm having a good time. it's been very aggressive schedule and i'm enjoying myself. that's all i have to say. what would you like to know. mr. cook: let me ask you one, hen we'll go around the table. let me ask you about tax reform. you were known for what the almanac of american politics called your serious and detailed work on the budget. i know that not all the details
are known but what's your take on the tax reform plan the trump administration rled out this week which apparently relaxed approach to deficits and debt. gov. kasich: somebody said something, i found it interesting. when a democrat is president, republicans care about debt and democrats don't. and then when a republican is president, the republicans don't care about debt and the democrats do. i mean, that's how, you know, pathetic it's gotten to be in this town. it's gotten so bad. one of my friends said, if you'd been around after 2000 they'd have to lock you up in a rubber room for the way things work in this town. i've always had a lot of problems with the, kind of the pro-growth republicans because they wanted to dynamically score things. they wanted to say if you do something, all these great, glor you -- glrus things are going to happen. i said i don't know if you can write a budget that way. we saw my colleague in kansas
write a budget that way. he wanted to pay for his tax cuts and the legislature, typical of politicians said, no we want to give out the tax cuts but don't want to have any pay-fors. so you can see what's happened to kansas. they have enormous revenue problems -- problems out there. but here in washington, the same is true. now i do believe there's a dynamic impact on tax cuts. corporate rate is too high, what it ought to be i'm not sure, that would be a matter of negotiation. but there is a -- somewhat of a dynamic effect. but it's also going to result in mass i deficits. we do have a $20 trillion debt. the interest that we pay on the debt is taking away resources that could be used to fund vital programs including things like n.i.h. and you know, it's -- they just need to be kearful about adding an enormous amount of increase to the national debt because when the tet goes up, the jobs go down. when the debt goes down, the jobs go up.
so i hope that the congress will be able to work their way through this with some tax relief but at the same time making sure we don't explode -- explode the debt. so we'll have to see what happens. mr. cook: last one from me. on monday you told "cbs this morning," quote, it's unlikely i'll seek office again, but you never know. in your victory speech in november of 2014, you talked about helping others. you said nothing good is ever lost. anything you do to lift someone else, to give them a chance, to improve lives, to give them some hope. if just one person, it will be recorded in the book of life and follow you through eternity. that strikes me as not a common political vision. gov. kasich: this book is not a common political vision. anybody here read it? it's really good. read it. mr. cook: if you're talking about not running -- gov. kasich: i didn't say --
mr. cook: who do you see pushing that kind of vision? gov. kasich: one of the thicks i believe, and i didn't -- things i believe, and i didn't really understand this for a long, long time. i've heard it said, but now i know it's true. if you're junge, if you're living in the shadows, if you're weak, if you're powerless, we run over you. because you don't have any political clout. that's just wrong. and i think that in our country, everybody has to have the sense that they have a shot. they have a chance. and that they have an opportunity. first of all, i just want to make it clear. i'm a hypocrite. ok. but i would like to know who is sitting around this table is not a hypocrite? i'm a flawed guy. sometimes i don't spend enough time with people. sometimes i'm short. but i don't want to be that way. i don't like to be that way. when people point it out i'll turn around and try to do something to fix it. i think it's -- i think politics
is changing, frankly. and i think -- i think the rise of independents, we're going to see it. i think it's very possible to see either a realignment or the beginning of a serious erosion of both political parties. because they're not -- they're too locked in. everything is now become like a parliamentary system. people are disgusted. i saw today in a poll in, i don't know, one of the papers i read this morning quickly is that no matter who you are, you are very upset about the fact that america is divided. one of the things i learn odd the campaign trail is you can talk about what your tax plan is and what your, all these kinds of things. but how people really want to be connected in my opinion is they want to believe that somebody actually cares about them. i think it's more about touching people's hearts now than it is about what's in their wallet. so you know, i would just tell you, who is going to inherit
that? who is going to talk about it? i don't know but i think that's the new politics. that doesn't mean tear down successful people but it does mean you are part of an effort to try to lift everyone. and i know this is a political breakfast but i think our problems are much broader and in case you fly on united airlines, you can tell me about it. we are increasingly treating people as widgets. we increasingly absorb only that which we agree with. i believe it's the effort at resolving our problems of common humanity that can allow us to come together and start pushing positive things in this country. but it's so interesting to me that whether you're a trump voter, whether you're not, everybody is saying the same thing. this is not where we want america to be. so i don't know if i answered your question. and in terms of politics, i don't know what the future bring, although i know it's in front of me. >> thank you, governor, for
coming, thank you, dave, very having us. >> i know your boss, so watch yourself. >> dave did steal my main question but i want to follow up on it. when you have the few details we've seen about trump's tax plan, corporate rates dropping by more than half, do you see any evidence that that would kick start the kind of growth that would be necessary -- gov. kasich: i'll tell you what the plan is ultimately going to look like. part of the reason they're not paying for it, i tried to push tax reform in ohio. first of all, it is full pliment for lobbyists. it is the greatest thing going for them. tax reform and pay-fors. because the people who have things taken from them are really angry about it and really energized and the people who get the benefit the lower taxes seldom speak up. even in my own legislature, there are people who say, we cut the income taxes and no one ever
gives me a bouquet. so we -- why does this mat her do i think lower taxes will result in faster economic growth? i do. do i think that there are changes in the tax system that discourage some things and encourages others? absolutely. so i do believe in a corporate tax -- i do believe our corporate tax rates are way too high in this country and should be reduced. and you should accommodate some dynamic scoring for that. i wrote my own tax plan when i was running. it was paid for. did accommodate some amount of dynamic scoring. it's got to be a legitimate number. apparently there are some republicans that are expressing concern. the other thing i saw today is the democrats have said, we're not participating in this at all. why don't we just go straight -- i'm convinced, after having been in london, that we have a stronger parliamentary system in america than they have in great britain. when i met with some of the people in the conservative party they're like, yeah, we're
working together with labour, yeah, we're doing that. we like that. we hate that here. i don't know how -- this is just really terrible. >> thank you very much for being here. great event as always. during your two paths speech which the book is named after, u made reference to your opponents, senator cruz and mr. trump, you warned not to turn to -- do you see the president as embodying the second of those paths or do you see anything that shows you he's made strides to heed your warning? gov. kasich: i think we're seeing fewer tweets.
i don't follow all this, because it doesn't interest me that much but i think we're seeing less of that, which is good. what's so interesting, i was a boring candidate for president because i was talking about reality. now we're beginning to see them approach the positions that i have. hen he was out on the trail, people are going to shut that up. we're going to abandon all trade. no we're not. we're going to rip up the iran deal on day one. we haven't. so -- but see i was boring. you folks, the print, i was told by somebody yesterday that the print folks gave -- really gai me a fair shake but the tv people, i wasn't -- we're going to rip it up, we're going to tear them down, we're going to go get them and all that stuff. so the campaign deteriorated into ratings and you know, all those kinds of things. so i'm not a believer, i am not
a believer that you give people false promises. i don't think you say to somebody, the reason you don't have something is somebody else took something from you and by the way i'm going to fix it. we don't live in -- we can't fix our most serious problems with a new app or take a pill. these things are serious problems. and we have problems that are coming our way that are of a tsunami level if we're not careful. the number one job in america is driving. you ever see those trucks that come your way, carrying all this stuff? whether it's amazon prime or whether it's fedex or whatever, within the next decade, we're not going to have people driving these trucks. they're going to be autonomous vehicles. your gressries will come by drones. it's going to be a big change. artificial intelligence. that's what watson is. watson is somebody there that -- a computer that says, let me explain this to you. if you're an insurance adjuster
or you're working in finance, you know, you better be careful that you're not going to have artificial intelligence take your job. so what i'm suggesting is, if we don't deal with this at our educational -- and our educational institutions are woefully inadequate on this, in terms of determining what the future is going to look like and how to prepare people for the future, we're going to have more gnashing of teeth, more displacement. it doesn't have to be that way. it doesn't have to be that way if people running these institutions suddenly become, i care about my neighbor. i care about these children. i care about how we educate. instead of being stuck in their own silos and their own caves and saying, we're going to keep doing things the way we've done them for the last 100 years and by god, we're going to stay with it. we need an awakening in this country where people begin to say that, you the, i'm going to do something for somebody else. i'm going to live life a little bigger than myself. that's what we need. and to a degree that's what the
two paths speech was about. mr. cook: daniel stroud from politico. >> i want to ask you about the house republicans and potentially what are they not getting about passing a new health care, or obamacare repeal bill? gov. kasich: what do you mean what are they not getting? >> why can't they do it? gov. kasich: i don't understand all of itful but here's what i do know. obamacare needs significant reform. we could reduce medicaid, you can give us some flexibilities, with guardrails. i think you have to make sure that there is mental illness and drug addiction inside of any final package that we're presented. with i thought about this and i thought, you know, i thought about this, and my -- and mandates, and i thought about
mental illness. we're just barely coming out of the cave on mental illness and we need to address it. it's easy to ignore. we shouldn't ignore it. but give us flexibility on medicaid. i told the president on this, i jut lined all of this for him. give us an ability to exclude certain drugs from our form lair because we have no leverage with pharmaceutical companies. i'm not against pharmaceutical companies, they're important, they can give us breakthroughs, solve a lot of problems we have. but they're too much. and so you've got -- you have two choices. you can either gorte negotiate with them or you can exclude them and then that would give you some leverage to reduce prices. our pharmaceutical costs are the biggest nagging cost we have in ohio where we have dramatically controlled or significantly controlled our medicaid costs. on the exchange side, we know what's happening there. we have to make sure that exchange does not collapse. and there are things that can be done on that side as well, including getting the federal
government out of the insurance industry and so to me, there's a way to achieve this but the idea that they're repealing all these taxes which midwest people don't even know about and we cut in half basically the resources that go to support people who have health needs is not good. and there's a way to achieve this over time that will work. and it's essential that we begin to reform it. i'm now -- my staff is now in talks with some of the democrat governors. i'd love to see us come to some consensus. but jamming something through that's going to take health care coverage away from millions of people, i saw a very interesting thing, written i think by a reporter for the "cleveland plain dealer"," he took a quote from robert patton sr., many of you would not know who that is. he was around when eisenhower was there. he was president too for a while. i'm just kidding.
all the young people here don't the know these things. the beatles were there. amazing time. that was -- taft was the senator from 1939 to 1953. he was known as mr. conservative. and he said that if americans do not have health care because they cannot afford it, they ought -- it ought to be given to them for free. > it sounds -- gov. kasich: it sounds like it's less the tactic they've take -- >> it sounds like it's less the tactic they've taken but their bill. gov. kasich: when you go home and people are yelling at you on both sides. politicians don't like anyone yelling at them. you don't like people yelling at
you at politico, we do sometimes but you deserve it. it's what's in the bill. the senate is going to be a whole different thing and i just am hoping that we can come up with something and, you want to know if you were to involve the democrats and say what do you think, then i think you'd have a bill that would be sustainable and one that would be constructive. because i do think the whole system needs to be improved. >> governor, good to see you. as you may have heard, we're nearing the 100-day mark for president trump which is tomorrow. and i'm -- a two-part question. first i'm wondering if you could just give a grade, how you think he's tone in his 100 days. gov. kasich: incomplete. >> and the second question is more complex, it's about north korea. i'm wondering how comfortable you are with the leadership you've seen from president trump and with what you know about him having run against him about his decision making process and --
gov. kasich: i have no idea how he makes decisions. >> are you concerned given the threat in north korea, just describe your state of mind as it relates to what's happening in the peninsula, what you see the administration starting to do. gov. kasich: first of all, on the first 100 days, i did go to the oval office, had a very delightful visit with president trump. and in the course of describing, including my trip to munich with john mccain where i saw world leaders very unsettled with what we were doing, i also told him, esaid, you know, i didn't have a great 100 first days when i was governor. i said my wife one day came to me and said, john, you're the governor of ohio, you're the father of ohio, why don't you act like it. so that was, you know, really important, what my wife said to me. i think -- no question i've changed every the course of being governor. so you had to give him time to figure out how this whole thing works. it's like on health care. i happen to believe, he doesn't really care what the plan is.
i mean i don't care what he says, i just know if he could get something through and, he's an oing -- he's not ideological guy on health care. not true. but on korea, first of all, on the strike in syria. that was a very important thing not just because we all felt, you know, we -- we're doing something. but it was an important message to send to a lot of world leaders who thought maybe we were out to lunch and we were not going to be engaged. that's number one. on north korea, we kicked the can down the road on north korea for forever. and there's two ways i look at this. number one, increasing ratcheting up pressure. probably has moved the chinese, although i'm not sure. nobody knows for sure. but it appears as though perhaps it has moved the chinese because they have ratcheted up the pressure. maybe the economic pressure.
maybe also the fact that we're getting very serious they can't have an icbm. there's a point at which -- there's a point at which in my opinion where saber rattling is not effective. and you have to be careful about approaching that. i also don't have all the intelligence he has. i mean the intelligence information, ok, let me clarify that. will have will have -- [laughter] so i think you have to be careful that you get to a certain point. what do i think is going to have to happen there? i think that that's the first bit of leverage i've seen against china. china does not want the anti-missile system on their border. but i'm pretty convinced, because there is, you know, the problem of bombing, you're going to lose a million people in that. what is it, three quarters of the population of korea lives in seoul?
how do you deal with this? i think there might be a way. and that has to do with taking out the north korean leadership. i'll just leave it there. >> you mean militarily. gov. kasich: if you can't figure that out, you know exactly what i'm talking about. the north korean top leadership has to go. and there are ways in which they can be achieved. now, but you have to have very good intelligence, you have to have an ability to do things very quickly. and you know, i think that it's not beyond our capability to achieve that. i think i actually said it during the campaign. i don't remember all that i said. but an ability to remove a number of the top people and have a more benign leadership there that understands what's at
risk, i think, is perhaps doable. moving big warships in and having a war, i don't think that's going to work. too much loss of life. but again, i mean, i don't have the generals sitting around the table and i just wouldn't have generals sitting around the table, by the way. i'm also familiar, and many of you are not, when i was in the fifth or sixth grade, gizzy remembers this, he had graduated from high school then. but you know, when i was in the fifth grade we used to, this is unbelievable. for you young folks. by the way, i love to see all the young people now in the media and i love the fact that you're doing this. ok. i love it. we used to go in the cloakroom and hide our head in the coats thinking that if there was a nuclear war against russia that e would be safe being in the
cloakroom. the generals told j.f.k., we need to go, and j.f.k. as a result of the bay of pigs, started to exhibit more judgment. and there was one incident, i believe, i haven't watched the movie or read the book lately, there was a ship approaching the generals wanned to take it out and kennedy said let it pass. then it was like, we need to bomb, you know, we need to do this. and kennedy said no. so you always want to have good military advice, you know, i served on the defense committee for 18 years. i had lots of experience with the military. you want them at the table. you want to listen to them. you want to pick the ones that have an ability to, to some degree see beyond the chain of command. but you also want to have some very, very intelligence intentsianonmilitary,
around that table to give you -- intelligentsia around that table to give you advice. so we have the capability of doing things like that. that's what i'm talking about, phil, when it comes to capitation of the top leadership in that country. >> if you were still -- if you were still a republican in congress today how concerned would you be about keeping the majority in two years? gov. kasich: i'd want to keep the majority, obviously, but i'm a lot more concerned about what i'm doing to help the country. somehow in the midst of everything, it isn't about, i want to be in power. it's about doing the right thing. the politics comes later. see that's a big problem with politicians. when politicians, like my job as governor, it's challenging. it's a challenging job. but it's not that hard. because i'm not sitting around looking at polls as to whether i should expand medicaid or what i
should do with autism or try to make sure my budget is balanced. i'm going to do what i want to do, not blind or deaf to the fact of what people's opinions are and how you do it, but at the end of the day, you have to do what you think is going to be advance your state, your -- and your nation. so if you're sitting around wondering about what all the polls are, it's not very good. you get bad results. there's nothing more weak than a leader who is incapable of making decisions that improve an organization. that's one of the thing us write about in this book. i wish some of you would read it, it's called followship. let me tell you what followship is. in my opinion. i think i created the term, at least if i took it from somebody else, i'll admit it but i don't think i did. any leader in any organization needs to paint a vision about how that organization is going to improve. and if in fact that vision is a good one and is accepted, then the people who are down the
line, the followers, need to support that vision and there are leaders within the follow group. there are people that emerge to push it. i was telling somebody the other day, chris shays was one of the follow the followship in my budget committee and he made sure they stayed on track when i left the room. if that organization loses its vision or gets off track, then i think the followers have a duty and a responsibility to begin to change that organization or walk away from that organization. that's what we see in many things of life. wells fargo, ep pee pen. united airlines. the catholic church in the scandal. whatever it is. the media, you know. in our schools. i've always been amazed that if you have a school where no one is ever learn, why is it that one teacher doesn't stand on the front of the building with a sign that says, my kids aren't learn, we ought to shut this down my wife tries to correct me on all this, she says, john,
people have mortgages and kids and all this people can't just walk away. i'm glad she told me this, she's right. i'm just different. she's right. but there are ways in which to affect an organization without having to get yourself fired, to make yourself known. to make your feelings known. and it's on all of us, all of us in this room to make sure that we can have some integrity that we can live a life a little bigger than ourselves. i don't know how i got here but i'm glad i did. >> thank you, dave. nice to see you again, governor. mr. cook: oh, this says you're at newsmax, i can't keep up with you. send me your resume. >> it's been four years. i would like a clarification and then ask a question. when you said taking out north korean leadership you also know that from 1953 to 1960, at least four times the u.s. authorized
e overthrow of other governments, guatemala, iran, la then 1960 taking out mumba with an executive order. is that what you're talking about, the president has to sign something as eisenhower did on the con gow -- gov. kasich: let me put it to you this way. i don't know the technicality of this, john gizzy, but here's -- if i were president and i had the sense, that's what i think the right policy is. if i have to write something on a piece of paper and stick it in a safe, fine. but i'm saying to you, i think the best way to solve this problem is to eradicate the leadership. i don't mean -- i'm talking about those who are closest in making the decisions that north korea is following now. now, i don't think this is something -- i don't want to say any more than that.
there's no reason to say any more than that. that's what i believe we need to do as opposed to some full military strike. i think being able to remove them and look, there's some signs here that are interesting. one of them is there's a chinese professor that made a speech that talks about the fact that russia -- that china shouldn't be so close to north korea. normally when a professor makes a speech like that, that professor would be shut down. there's been no government reaction to that speech. these are signals. am i like a china expert? of course not. i'm not. but i know there's some things that you see that are very interesting. it's also interesting that they -- that he didn't move forward with his nuclear test which shows that some of this pressure has worked. the president deserves some credit for it. you're asking me how i would deal with it? i told you how i think we should deal with it. >> my question was -- >> i know, i'm not answering your question.
>> that was just to clarify what you meant by take out. my question is this. you talk about the decline of parties, we saw in france last week, the two major parties both faced defeat in the first voting round for president. if a third party were to come up , to rise up in the next few years, would you consider joining the third party? gov. kasich: i'm a republican. i haven't given up on my party. i'm just -- look. as a republican, i actually care deeply about the environment. and i actually do -- i didn't go to the march but i kind of do believe in science. i don't believe that science ought to overrule faith. i think faith and science are consistent. i believe in science. i'm in favor of trade. i'm in favor of trade because i think free trade is not only strategic but economically good. i do -- i don't like rising debt. i think we should deal with it.
i do believe in tax cuts. i believe in immigration. i don't support things like knock and talk policies. you know, i don't -- i'm just, i think we should be pro immigration. i think that we need to be a party that lifts people. our whole purpose is to give people a shot. so everybody feels included. now on a number of those issue the party has diverged from my thinking. ok. it's a struggle. it's a tug of war. we'll see what happens. but i will tell you, i do believe it is possible in the future for a well funded, independent candidate, wealthy independent candidate to win the presidency. believe that is possible. >> from the bbc. gov. kasich: i read you every day. well, not you, but --
>> if you could change one aspect of the way the president behaves, what would it be? and followup to the north korea question, given your kind of extensive contacts with the defense community, do you believe that what you just advocated in terms of north korea is being seriously considered? gov. kasich: i don't know but it should be. probably it is. i'll bet they're thinking about it. i bet they're probably -- if i were there, i'd be asking them about it. are you staging raids? do you know how do land? do you know how to get there? are your helicopters going to work? i mean all these kinds of things are really important. but i have great, great confidence in the ability, at least these military young men and women are just unbelievable what they can achieve in the way they train and i think there are things that they can do. i bet they are looking at it. in terms of what would i change? it has to be a unifying message. i'd be calling the democrats in too. now let me tell you, the
democrats may say they're not interested. nancy pelosi said the other day, i like nancy, don't tell any republican i said i like nancy personally, but nancy was asked a question, if we did away with the border wall concept, would you work to do a health care bill? and she said no. i heard one democrat senator say, well, i'm not working on health care, and if it collapses, the republicans get the blame. what kind of thinking is that? what is that about? some political strategy? what about the people who would get crushed, that maybe they don't matter anymore down here? i hope that answers your uestion. >> if it collapses, the democrats are to blame? gov. kasich: i don't agree with where we are here. i think with president trump, i make one observation and i don't know this to be true because i don't really know him very well at all. i think there's a tug of war
going on in the administration. those people who are ideologues ver rhesus those who are practical. i think it depends what day who is winning the tug of war. have you been in tug of war? have you -- do they do that in england? >> parliamentary tug of war takes place every year. >> deirdre. >> thanks for caking -- for taking my question. if you're not going to run for president, what's next for you? gov. kasich: i don't know what i'm doing. what i'm saying is unlikely. but i don't know what the future is going to bring for me or what obligation or responsibility that i feel. but i'm not doing this -- i'm not writing this book, i'm not here today because i'm running for president. my wife would kill me if -- i'm not sweetie, that's not why i'm here. but you don't ever say no to anything in life. i never thought i'd be governor. and so, you don't know. but it's unlikely. >> where do you see yourself
career wise after your term ends, your governorship? >> i don't know that either. but i will tell you that i aim, if i can, to maintain a political organization so i can continue to have a voice. whether i'm holding office or whether i'm not. and i think it's a challenge for people. you know, there are some who have pulled it off come lynn powell, al gore -- al gore has had a traumatic impact on the environment being out of office. i don't know. but i intend to keep, raise the money, if i can, and have the resources to continue to have a team so i can engage and speak out and who knows where it's all going to go. mr. cook: janet hood from "the wall street journal," sitting in the cheap seats over there. >> thanks for being here, governor. i have to follow up on that last thing, you're keeping a political team in place in case you run? gov. kasich: i hope to. advisors and -- you don't come up with stuff overnight. you have to examine issues. you have to kind of work at this stuff. you have to work at communicating the right way.
i mean, the -- >> so you'll be ready to run if the opportunity presents itself? gov. kasich: it's not ready to run. maybe. but it's not about ready to run. it's a willingness to be heard and a need to be heard if you think things are going to the wrong direction. but you know, i have a team that's removed from my office. -- they have nothing to do with my job as governor of ohio. but it's a side group that works and advises me, travels with me. i'm going to get involved in the balanced budget amendment. it's been a passion of mine for many years. seems like we need it more now than ever. i'm going to be involved in this whole issue of bottom up community. and you know, if you take the health care bill, for example, that's one where i can analyze inside the government because it affects me but if i'm out of power, right, and i don't have all that, i've got to have a way in which to fwather and have something intelligent to say if
i see something i don't like instead of just blabbering out there. i don't know -- it's all about eing able to have an impact. mr. cook: kimberly from "the washington examiner." >> thank you for taking my question. back to health care, the american health care act has recently added an amendment that would give states the option to waive certain protections that exist under the affordable care act. what are your thoughts on those amendments as well as some of the changes that would be allowed under medicaid such as turning it into a block grant or a per capita spending? gov. kasich: well, look. i have my own plan which i developed with a number of other governors and i think these things are designed to get votes. i think it needs to start from ground zero. i haven't studied -- i think it's window dressing. but it's more serious than window dressing because i think there's an ability to just repeal some things, or states that just walk away from some serious things that need to be
attended to. i don't know who put it in there, or why they put it in there. block grants that are not set the right way don't work. i kind of like the per capita approach to things but i'll send you my plan so you can see what i outlined for the president but in terms of following the bouncing ball of what political machinations the republicans are going through to get this done is not something i'm spending a great amount of time on. i'm having to deal with my own budget issues back there with less revenue than what i'm usually accustomed to. >> do you think this would really help our state? gov. kasich: i'm worried about giving states flexibility but i'm also worried about the country and about the people. right now the resources to fund this thing are about half of what they were. and i know that they repealed some of the taxes that were put on the highest income americans. i don't know about republicans, i guess we really are worried about whether rich people are doing well. mr. cook: we're going to go to
chris from "the weekly standard." >> thank you. she took my question. we ran up against a deadline and we have to get out of here so that's good. i'll go back to something -- gov. kasich: the republicans may pass some health care thing. ok. but i've got to to tell you something, if you're drug addicted, do you know how often you have to go and get treatment? if you're mentally ill do you know how often you have to go see a doctor? they were going to give under the republican like $3,000 a year for health insurance. what do you get for $3,000 a year? you get nothing. and you get very high deductibles. do you know, people who have mental illness, a lot of times they can't scrape enough money together to go to the doctor if they have a $20 co-payment. i'm -- i wouldn't be surprised if they pass something. but i'm not for it. i'm just telling you. >> with respect, something you were saying earlier about
automation and changing nature of the economy and kind of solutions of tomorrow. ben savage has written about this, and understand your thinking as politics are evil and worthless at this point. gov. kasich: no, no. no. >> how duds wonk reorient itself to reorient some issues that are talking about tax reform, reform the health care system. do you think the political system is capable of reorienting itself to have discussions that address that kind of stuff in the future? gov. kasich: that's why i wrote my book. it's a message to people that when you're a politician and you're worried about politics you don't need a phone because when you're out, no one will take your calls and no one will call you become. so start thinking bigger about how you can save the country and everybody is going to say, who is he to tell me that? of course i do. >> ohow would you think
differently about the country? what are some things, not just a framework or theoretical standpoint but if you were in congress and you think something needs to be done in the next 20 or 30 year what's the big ticket item. >> you start talking about it, introduce it, have hearings. off vision and you pursue a vision even if you're alone. do you -- you pursue, pursue, pursue. i think politics is very important. i think the decisions that get done in the political sphere are important. but when people who are in the political sphere are only worried about their own re-election an their own little thing, that doesn't bring out the best of politics. and so there are a lot of really good people. charlie dent, for example is a guy, he's always thinking in the future. and do i think that the political system is capable of looking at the education system, the training, the job training system? sure i think it is. but we have to get to the people who are really going to take those issues on. here's the bigger problem. the bigger problem is not
washington. the bigger problem is our k through 12 education system and our heeger education system in the country. that starts at the school board level. are we training our kids, are we letting, as my kids' principal says, are we letting education get in the way of learning? why aren't we doing more of the models where kids spend a big chunk of time out there in the private sector? why aren't we adopting the models they have in a town called marietta where people are -- they're talking to kids about occupations in kinder fwarten, getting them out in the community? we're not doing that by and large in most schools. now all we're worried about is, what is betsy devos going to do? forget betsy devos. i want to know what you're doing in your school board. this gets me all worked up. you know why? because the two hardest to reform institutions in america are k through 12 and higher education. they don't want to change. and if they don't, they will be disintermediated with
echnology. mr. cook: and from "the daily beast." gov. kasich: i read your stuff too. well, not yours, but i read "the daily beast." >> i wonder to what extent you think that investigations into the trump orbit and their relations with the russian government is an important issue to investigate and a reasonable issue to investigate and whether you think that the ongoing investigations by the house and senate intelligence committees are credible or if we need some sort of outside body, like a select commission, to investigate it? gov. kasich: of course it's legitimate to find out what happens. i don't read this story every day, i just don't. i saw adam schiff over in munich, i said, adam, you're a smart guy, you could be a
superstar, don't go political. go partisan here. you have a big responsibility. i like senator warner. i think he's a fine guy. and you know, he's also a democrat in the senate. it is important that the republicans are cooperative with the democrats. i believe the investigation should be done in the intelligence committee. and the minute you start special investigations, it now starts to spiral into, to some degree a big thing about politics and i would prefer for this to be conducted in house an senate intelligence committees. but it's incumbent on all parties to do this in a sober, honest, and open way. >> in the house and senate -- >> if they don't they ought to get them. i haven't heard anybody say they don't. mr. cook: we're running out of time. we'll get one or two more. francine, do you have a quick one? >> earlier at the outset of this discussion you talked about
politics and said it was more about touching hearts now. so what is the politics of hearts look like? can you elaborate on that a little bit? gov. kasich: i think it's having an education system, it's not just here because i don't think the federal government, you know, all this business about common core and all this other, you know, hyperbole, is -- i was in new hampshire yesterday, the reason i went there is if you read the book you'll see a lot of things happen in new hampshire. i stopped back therement somebody asked me about betsy devos and i said, hey, man, just do your job. it's your school board you principal, go and do that. it's about loving our kids and getting out of our comfort zone to educate them. i think it's writing a health care bill that keeps in mind the people who are drug addicted and mentally ill. i think it's what we did in our state which i'm happy about, which was to make sure that parent who was autistic children have access to insurance. it's what we did in ohio which
is to say if we have a problem with community and police, we need to take it head on and we need to make sure we have a diverse group of people that put together policies that show that those in the community are not going to be -- not going to be discriminated against while those in the community have to support our police. so mom and dad who are police, members of the police force, can go home at night. but it doesn't take away from the need to have great economic policy, which means you can't keep racking up this tet because it puts our children at risk. you need to have a reasonable tax cut system. a tax system that spurs economic growth. and your regulatory system has to be -- has to be a system that has common sense applied to it. that leads to economic growth. you need to have jobs. i understand the last quarter, we had like .7 economic growth. no wonder revenues are falling short in ohio. economic growth is the key to it. but then you move beneath that. so we had lower taxes in ohio, i
also put in, we lowered our income tarks we put in the first earned income tax credit ever in the state of ohio. i think it's a balance. then i'll tell you the other thing. this is part of why people who were hurting went to trump. because they're hurting. and what a lot of people want to know, does anybody care about me? i took up swimming after the olympics because i wanted to look like those guys. and so i was in the swimming pool, or going to the swimming pool, i dropped my phone in the swimming pool. and so it was a flip phone, don't worry. so we called verizon, this is an interesting story. we called verizon, i went over they made me wait like hours, you know, the way it is when they go to verizon, they say five minutes yurk there five hour. they give me my phone back. said what do i owe you?
so said, we made you wait long, it's free. she said, we did something to a smart phone and made it not ork. the woman brought it in, we fixed it, she said, how much do i owe you? they said, it's our fault, we did it. you know what i did? i called the c.e.o. of verizon. i said, that woman and her assistant need to be held up as examples of employees who know how to service customers and care. that's such a little illustration, but so many people just feel like nobody cares about them. and we need -- and i think that's what the politics of the heart is. you know. it's about making people feel you have a victory, we'll
celebrate. you have a defeat, we'll mourn. it's part of it. it's the way in which you communicate and talk to people out there. just as you're walking around. that's why i say, i don't get this right all the time. i live in an environment that is too darned fast. i hope i get better at it. mr. cook: last question. >> you said if you were rating the president you'd give him an incomplete. gov. kasich: it's too soon. >> what do you think is the biggest mistake he's made while he's in office, and to follow up, if he continues to shift on his promises from the campaign, will he still have the base when he runs for re-election again? gov. kasich: i think it's all just talk right now. nothing has really happened outside of knock and talk that impacted anybody. this is early. you have to give the guy -- never held a political office. he's used to being in a situation where he gives orders and everything happens.
he's beginning to realize that he actually has a board of rectors made up of 435 and 100. and i just want to give him a chance. i want him to do well. if he calls me i'll try to give hem the best advise -- advice i can, not that i'm some savant, but he needs to bring folks together and rhetoric of partisanship or blaming and all that, that doesn't work in politics when you're an executive. you need to have a thick skin, you need to roll with the punches and you've got to learn to take some hits. all anybody -- anybody great in life learns that. i don't care if it's a great athlete or a great performer. you just have to take some hits. and you've got to be bigger than the hits and bigger than the people. -- than the people who are whacking you around. and lead. it's a great opportunity to be the president of the united states. think of how much good you can do.
>> on the campaign promises? gov. kasich: if things start -- if steelworkers and coal miners and people living in tough economic circumstances don't see their circumstances improve, then it's going to be a negative for him, no question. people vote on the basis of their pocketbook really. and the sense that somebody -- you know, look. ronald reagan, i hate to go back, i call him st. ronald because we've made him into something he realy wasn't but he did have a lot of incredible skills he had a sense of humor and he had -- people felt his heart. that's why he was teflon. he was teflon because people said he's not a mean guy. he cares about me. i think that's a big part about being a leader. i saw -- the highlight of my book tour is i ran into david mckohl luff, one of the great -- mccollough, one of the greatest ever. he wrote a book about "truman."
he started singing in the lobby of this studio which was -- we have it on tape, we will always keep it. and then he told the story of harry truman. truman went back to independence and he and his wife were headed to dinner one night. this is not in his book. and they got lost. they couldn't figure out where the house was. so his wife said, harry, stop the car, go up there and go ask somebody where -- how we get to this house? so he stops his car , he goes up, knocks on a guy's door, guy comes to the door, he said, where do the smiths live? he said down the street, down the block, make a right, blah, blah, blah. harry says, thank you very much. he gets halfway down the walk and the guy yells at him, hey, did anybody tell you you look like harry truman. he said, yeah. the guy said, i bet that makes you mad. thank you all very much. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017]